the version on YouTube has a closed caption option (CC) which helps a lot. It's not always perfect but it helps me when some speakers or words are not clear.
I always wondered why the Vikings travelled the world. Maybe the long and dark winters did it? Being one myself, I always went for warmer and sunnier climates myself. And today, you’ll always find lots of Scandinavians here in SoFlo and Cali.
As the old maps remind us, and as Ukraine should remind us today, these tales are never finished. If sense ever prevails, Plokhy’s fine book should find its way to Vladimir Putin’s desk, if only to show the imperialist that Ukraine itself is far from done, and will not be extinguished....from Ian Bell’s review from The Herald Scotland...
The following passages from "The Gates of Europe" put a smile on my face as I read them the first time. Even as I reread them now, I am still smiling.
"What actually happened at Pereiaslav in 1654 was neither the reunification of Ukraine with Muscovy (which would be renamed “Russia” by Peter I) nor the reunion of two “fraternal peoples,” as suggested by Soviet historians. No one in Pereiaslav or Moscow was thinking or speaking in ethnic terms in 1654." (p. 104)
"There is no need to blame either the Muscovite elites or their Ukrainian counterparts for not considering each other brothers and members of the same Rus’ nation. The two sides needed interpreters to understand each other, and Khmelnytsky’s letters to the tsar survived in the Russian archives largely in translations prepared by such official interpreters." (p. 104)
"Four centuries of existence in different political conditions, under the rule of different states, had strengthened long-standing linguistic and cultural differences that divided the future Belarus and Ukraine from the future Russia." (p. 105)
This is what I don't understand, John: Doesn't everyone know that geographical and/or social isolation cause differences in language and dialect? The Yorkshire dialect of old died out with the generation that died sometime between the late 1990s and early 2000s. I've listened to examples of it on youtube, and can understand only bits of it. This is something I find puzzling about Putin. In his much too long essay, "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians" of July 12, 2021, he writes, "Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians are all descendants of Ancient Rus, which was the largest state in Europe. Slavic and other tribes across the vast territory – from Ladoga, Novgorod, and Pskov to Kiev and Chernigov – were bound together by one language (which we now refer to as Old Russian), economic ties, the rule of the princes of the Rurik dynasty, and – after the baptism of Rus – the Orthodox faith" (http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181). It's "were bound together by one language (which we now refer to as Old Russian)" that I'm talking about. Mon dieu! Old Russian? Much of the vocabulary that southerners and northerners in this country use are different from each other, even with mass communication.
To take his line of thought- we are all descended from one ultimate mother..does that suggest one “ruler” has ownership? No, it’s obviously a fabrication..old English, old welsh…?…these are now tropes used in our times to justify the same horrors as once were thru religious crusades.always a rationale..however dismissed seen thru the lens of history..I think Prof Snyder and others nail it- the modern nation is a quilt..not a melting pot..a quilt of different people, coming together and declaring nationhood- essentially arm in arm —saying up yours to anyone who would deny them..it’s how in my ideal world I see Canada- a quilt..and why this war means so much to me..
I tried to make an ancestry chart from Olha on as I was reading "The Gates of Europe" last year so that I could keep up with who's who. I gave up after several generations, though. Too many sons! I'm going to try it again sometime in the future, because I find that sort of thing helpful.
Why can't I get the ""read" version? Podcasts don't work for me because of hearing probs.
the version on YouTube has a closed caption option (CC) which helps a lot. It's not always perfect but it helps me when some speakers or words are not clear.
I had not heard anything of the Canadian institute of ukrainian studies at U of A, until reading CV of Plokhy...
Indeed..Canada is second largest diaspora ..behind Russia….uggh
Of course russia would say there are no Ukrainians..only Russians
I always wondered why the Vikings travelled the world. Maybe the long and dark winters did it? Being one myself, I always went for warmer and sunnier climates myself. And today, you’ll always find lots of Scandinavians here in SoFlo and Cali.
As the old maps remind us, and as Ukraine should remind us today, these tales are never finished. If sense ever prevails, Plokhy’s fine book should find its way to Vladimir Putin’s desk, if only to show the imperialist that Ukraine itself is far from done, and will not be extinguished....from Ian Bell’s review from The Herald Scotland...
The following passages from "The Gates of Europe" put a smile on my face as I read them the first time. Even as I reread them now, I am still smiling.
"What actually happened at Pereiaslav in 1654 was neither the reunification of Ukraine with Muscovy (which would be renamed “Russia” by Peter I) nor the reunion of two “fraternal peoples,” as suggested by Soviet historians. No one in Pereiaslav or Moscow was thinking or speaking in ethnic terms in 1654." (p. 104)
"There is no need to blame either the Muscovite elites or their Ukrainian counterparts for not considering each other brothers and members of the same Rus’ nation. The two sides needed interpreters to understand each other, and Khmelnytsky’s letters to the tsar survived in the Russian archives largely in translations prepared by such official interpreters." (p. 104)
"Four centuries of existence in different political conditions, under the rule of different states, had strengthened long-standing linguistic and cultural differences that divided the future Belarus and Ukraine from the future Russia." (p. 105)
This is what I don't understand, John: Doesn't everyone know that geographical and/or social isolation cause differences in language and dialect? The Yorkshire dialect of old died out with the generation that died sometime between the late 1990s and early 2000s. I've listened to examples of it on youtube, and can understand only bits of it. This is something I find puzzling about Putin. In his much too long essay, "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians" of July 12, 2021, he writes, "Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians are all descendants of Ancient Rus, which was the largest state in Europe. Slavic and other tribes across the vast territory – from Ladoga, Novgorod, and Pskov to Kiev and Chernigov – were bound together by one language (which we now refer to as Old Russian), economic ties, the rule of the princes of the Rurik dynasty, and – after the baptism of Rus – the Orthodox faith" (http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181). It's "were bound together by one language (which we now refer to as Old Russian)" that I'm talking about. Mon dieu! Old Russian? Much of the vocabulary that southerners and northerners in this country use are different from each other, even with mass communication.
To take his line of thought- we are all descended from one ultimate mother..does that suggest one “ruler” has ownership? No, it’s obviously a fabrication..old English, old welsh…?…these are now tropes used in our times to justify the same horrors as once were thru religious crusades.always a rationale..however dismissed seen thru the lens of history..I think Prof Snyder and others nail it- the modern nation is a quilt..not a melting pot..a quilt of different people, coming together and declaring nationhood- essentially arm in arm —saying up yours to anyone who would deny them..it’s how in my ideal world I see Canada- a quilt..and why this war means so much to me..
Reading ordered..
I tried to make an ancestry chart from Olha on as I was reading "The Gates of Europe" last year so that I could keep up with who's who. I gave up after several generations, though. Too many sons! I'm going to try it again sometime in the future, because I find that sort of thing helpful.